Hi,

Back from the wild west, a weekend spend watching flying horses (I kid
you not!) flying is the correct term for their fastest gait.

Have spoken to the lovely people at Shoreham airport and as its such a
lovely day, they are happy to take me up flying this afternoon!!!!!!!

So unless I chicken out, I will have report tonight....

Till later

Years ago I was on a business trip to the UK and we were staying in
Brighton. Woke up to a lousy Saturday morning. By the time breakfast was
over the sky was a clear blue. We went to Shoreham and rented a Warrior
(G-BEMW) and went flying. Flew to Portsmouth and back. Took an
instructor with me to keep me out of trouble.


-------------
Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI (USA)


Ice blonde wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Back from the wild west, a weekend spend watching flying horses (I kid
> you not!) flying is the correct term for their fastest gait.
>
> Have spoken to the lovely people at Shoreham airport and as its such a
> lovely day, they are happy to take me up flying this afternoon!!!!!!!
>
> So unless I chicken out, I will have report tonight....
>
> Till later
>

> So unless I chicken out, I will have report tonight....

We're waiting with bated breath. Or maybe that was just the sardines I had
for lunch.

JohnH wrote:
>> So unless I chicken out, I will have report tonight....
>
> We're waiting with bated breath. Or maybe that was just the sardines I had
> for lunch.


In that case, you're waiting with baited breath. <G>




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

SORRY ITS LONG.....

>We're waiting with bated breath. Or maybe that was just the sardines I had
>for lunch.

Probably the sardines ;-)

Ok, it was absolutely fantastic :-))))))))))) Ok, the story is.....

I just got up this morning, looked out the window and saw clear blue
sky and sunshine. So I thought, rather than going window shopping, I
would ring up one and ask if I could fly today.

Found the airport and my way around inside which was a good start. Then
had to deal with the very bemused looks from the gentlemen at the
flying club/school, obviously I either have two heads, I looked
terrified, or I don't look like the sort of person who turns up for
flying lessons.

Had lunch first with a nice view of the planes, then had a quick lesson
in the office on what the controls do, with dinky little red model
plane :-)

Then out to the plane, lots of checks and untie the plane, I didn't
realise you have to tie your plane up too ;-)

The brain was a little bit frazzled after learning about all the
controls / instruments. But I think I got most of it. Plane was a two
seat Cessna 152, with a very dodgy nickname (don't ask, I didn't name
it)

Got to do some of the taxi-ing, had great fun with the pedal brakes,
then helped with take off, pulled out the throttle ;-), and followed
what he was upto with the controls. So far so good, then he just says
off you go...... :-0

No, not really, well he did say that, but then explained everything,
and showed me how to fly, and it was fab, didn't feel sick or scared or
anything :-) Flew over my house at least twice, but I managed to miss
it, I'm just not used to seeing it from that angle, doh! Good views of
the surrounding areas thou.

Only managed to nearly stall it once, when putting the throttle back in
too far, but all females in charge of a motor engine of any sort should
be allowed one near stall ;-)

So apart from the take off, and when we were banking around in circles
looking for the house, I flew the rest of the time, 40 minutes, but we
over ran a bit too. Then he did the landing.... So safely back on the
ground and big cheesy grin.

In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to do
it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it slowly due
to finances :-(

Thanks again to everyone for all your helpful comments.

Happy flying or skiing for those who don't fly...

The cheapest way to earn your license is to do it in the US, where we have
relatively cheap fuel and much more forgiving regulations. So plan your
holiday over here and you can learn with my daughter next summer.

Seth


"Ice blonde" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> SORRY ITS LONG.....
>
>>We're waiting with bated breath. Or maybe that was just the sardines I
>>had
>>for lunch.
>
> Probably the sardines ;-)
>
> Ok, it was absolutely fantastic :-))))))))))) Ok, the story is.....
>
> I just got up this morning, looked out the window and saw clear blue
> sky and sunshine. So I thought, rather than going window shopping, I
> would ring up one and ask if I could fly today.
>
> Found the airport and my way around inside which was a good start. Then
> had to deal with the very bemused looks from the gentlemen at the
> flying club/school, obviously I either have two heads, I looked
> terrified, or I don't look like the sort of person who turns up for
> flying lessons.
>
> Had lunch first with a nice view of the planes, then had a quick lesson
> in the office on what the controls do, with dinky little red model
> plane :-)
>
> Then out to the plane, lots of checks and untie the plane, I didn't
> realise you have to tie your plane up too ;-)
>
> The brain was a little bit frazzled after learning about all the
> controls / instruments. But I think I got most of it. Plane was a two
> seat Cessna 152, with a very dodgy nickname (don't ask, I didn't name
> it)
>
> Got to do some of the taxi-ing, had great fun with the pedal brakes,
> then helped with take off, pulled out the throttle ;-), and followed
> what he was upto with the controls. So far so good, then he just says
> off you go...... :-0
>
> No, not really, well he did say that, but then explained everything,
> and showed me how to fly, and it was fab, didn't feel sick or scared or
> anything :-) Flew over my house at least twice, but I managed to miss
> it, I'm just not used to seeing it from that angle, doh! Good views of
> the surrounding areas thou.
>
> Only managed to nearly stall it once, when putting the throttle back in
> too far, but all females in charge of a motor engine of any sort should
> be allowed one near stall ;-)
>
> So apart from the take off, and when we were banking around in circles
> looking for the house, I flew the rest of the time, 40 minutes, but we
> over ran a bit too. Then he did the landing.... So safely back on the
> ground and big cheesy grin.
>
> In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to do
> it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it slowly due
> to finances :-(
>
> Thanks again to everyone for all your helpful comments.
>
> Happy flying or skiing for those who don't fly...
>

> In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to do
> it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it slowly due
> to finances :-(

Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it. There is, quite simply, nothing else like
flying.

Okay, here's your plan:

1. Come to the U.S. next summer.
2. Stay at our inn for two months. (We'll give you a great rate...)
3. Take your flight lessons at our airport. We have two flight schools on
the field.
4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
Midwest...

Go home with a Private Pilot's Certificate in your purse for thousands less
than it would cost in Europe.

(You can see the inn on our website, below...)

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hi

Thanks for the replies, not sure if training in the US would be the
best way to go, as if I understand correctly, the licence would only
allow you to fly American registered planes, and I'm not sure how many
of those there are owned by the local flying clubs.

Unless you can train for the different licences in the US?

Regards

In article <e_m0f.440782$xm3.366755@attbi_s21>,
says...
>
>
>> In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to do
>> it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it slowly due
>> to finances :-(
>
>Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it. There is, quite simply, nothing else like
>flying.
>
>Okay, here's your plan:
>
>1. Come to the U.S. next summer.
>2. Stay at our inn for two months. (We'll give you a great rate...)
>3. Take your flight lessons at our airport. We have two flight schools on
>the field.
>4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
>Midwest...
>
>Go home with a Private Pilot's Certificate in your purse for thousands less
>than it would cost in Europe.
>
>(You can see the inn on our website, below...)
>
>:-)


What do you bet Mary's away on business when you get there!!

>What do you bet Mary's away on business when you get there!!

And what difference would that make?

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to do
>>it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it slowly due
>>to finances :-(
>
>
> Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it. There is, quite simply, nothing else like
> flying.
>
> Okay, here's your plan:
>
> 1. Come to the U.S. next summer.
> 2. Stay at our inn for two months. (We'll give you a great rate...)
> 3. Take your flight lessons at our airport. We have two flight schools on
> the field.
> 4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
> Midwest...

Gee, that will take 10 minutes! <grin>


>
> Go home with a Private Pilot's Certificate in your purse for thousands less
> than it would cost in Europe.
>
> (You can see the inn on our website, below...)
>
> :-)

Ice blonde wrote:

> Unless you can train for the different licences in the US?

There used to be an outfit down in Florida that offered training for the British
license. I don't know how it's doing since 9/11.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/


"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:gFF0f.3908$WD5.632@trndny06...
> Ice blonde wrote:
>
>> Unless you can train for the different licences in the US?
>
> There used to be an outfit down in Florida that offered training for the
> British license. I don't know how it's doing since 9/11.
>
> George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
> neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

On 4 Oct 2005 11:07:16 -0700, "Ice blonde" >
wrote:

>I understand correctly, the licence would only
>allow you to fly American registered planes,

No, the certificate (as it's called in the U.S.) is transferable to
the UK. British pilots regularly train here to take advantage of the
lower prices, good weather (I would suggest Arizona, but only in the
winter :), and the opportunity to travel. There's a bit of paperwork
now, what with Mohammed Atta and his friends.





-- all the best, Dan Ford

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"Jimmy B." > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>> 4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
>> Midwest...
>
> Gee, that will take 10 minutes! <grin>
>

Let see..

Walk out side. 15 Seconds

Say, "That's Corn." 2 Seconds


Jimmy I think you've scheduled in 9+ extra minutes.

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wr.giacona@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
news:PDQ0f.12595$b65.8669@okepread01...
>
> "Jimmy B." > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> 4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
>>> Midwest...
>>
>> Gee, that will take 10 minutes! <grin>
>>
> Let see..
>
> Walk out side. 15 Seconds
>
> Say, "That's Corn." 2 Seconds
>
> Jimmy I think you've scheduled in 9+ extra minutes.

And how would you get to Iowa, let alone Iowa City without seeing corn???

Walk around. 30 seconds

Say, "Them's beans" 2 seconds

Now you have just tripled your tour time in Iowa...

Seth Masia wrote:

> Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/

Cool! Lancaster, PA would be a great place to learn to fly.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Hi all

>Seth Masia wrote:
> Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/

Now that does look interesting..... But I'm not going to be flitting
off to do anything in a hurry :-)

Have never been to the Mid West, but your not selling it very well ;-)
We have a place called Boston in Lincs over here, its a bit like that,
really really flat and cabbages for as far as the eye can see...!

Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?

I have a willing soul who would love to come up for a ride, and it
would be a good excuse to have another lesson, but I wouldn't want to
try learning in two very different planes at once, that would just be
confusing.

Many thanks

> >What do you bet Mary's away on business when you get there!!
>
> And what difference would that make?

Precisely.

The people on this group are all pigs, I.B -- just look at where their minds
go! You need to come train in the "Great Bread Basket of the World", the
Midwest, where we are all gentlemen and ladies, the kids are all above
average, and the sky is always blue...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> Now you have just tripled your tour time in Iowa...

There's way more to the Midwest than Iowa.

From here, Atlas can take us to Kansas City, St. Louis, Minneapolis, the
Ozarks, or any of a hundred cities -- for brunch -- and have you back in
your hotel suite by supper time!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 5 Oct 2005 12:31:50 -0700, "Ice blonde" >
wrote:

>Hi all
>
>>Seth Masia wrote:
>> Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/
>
>Now that does look interesting..... But I'm not going to be flitting
>off to do anything in a hurry :-)
>
>Have never been to the Mid West, but your not selling it very well ;-)
>We have a place called Boston in Lincs over here, its a bit like that,
>really really flat and cabbages for as far as the eye can see...!
>
>Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
>seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?
>
>I have a willing soul who would love to come up for a ride, and it
>would be a good excuse to have another lesson, but I wouldn't want to
>try learning in two very different planes at once, that would just be
>confusing.
>
>Many thanks


I'm learning in the UK.
Took a trial lesson in a cessna and also a trial in a piper 4 seater.
I am learning in a Piper. It felt nicer to fly in having had an hour
in each.
Disadvantage is it costs more to learn in a Piper.

Thank God.

Jim


> There's way more to the Midwest than Iowa.

Oink.

Jim



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:hOW0f.453367$xm3.56259@attbi_s21...


>
> The people on this group are all pigs, I.B -- just look at where their
> minds go! >

"Jimmy B." > wrote in
ink.net:

> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to
>>>do it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it
>>>slowly due to finances :-(
>>
>>
>> Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it. There is, quite simply, nothing
>> else like flying.
>>
>> Okay, here's your plan:
>>
>> 1. Come to the U.S. next summer.
>> 2. Stay at our inn for two months. (We'll give you a great rate...)
>> 3. Take your flight lessons at our airport. We have two flight
>> schools on the field.
>> 4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
>> Midwest...
>
> Gee, that will take 10 minutes! <grin>
>
>

"We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best way
to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver by
Brian Shul.



--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

Nebraska has two seasons ... winter and road construction.

Jim


> "We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best way
> to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver by
> Brian Shul.

"Marty Shapiro" > wrote in message
...
> "Jimmy B." > wrote in
> ink.net:
>
>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>>In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to
>>>>do it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it
>>>>slowly due to finances :-(
>>>
>>>
>>> Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it. There is, quite simply, nothing
>>> else like flying.
>>>
>>> Okay, here's your plan:
>>>
>>> 1. Come to the U.S. next summer.
>>> 2. Stay at our inn for two months. (We'll give you a great rate...)
>>> 3. Take your flight lessons at our airport. We have two flight
>>> schools on the field.
>>> 4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
>>> Midwest...
>>
>> Gee, that will take 10 minutes! <grin>
>>
>>
>
> "We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best way
> to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver by
> Brian Shul.

That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?

Jay B

>
> The people on this group are all pigs,

Yea, but we don't get Mad Cow Disease...

Al

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> "Jimmy B." > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>>>4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
>>>Midwest...
>>
>>Gee, that will take 10 minutes! <grin>
>>
>
> Let see..
>
> Walk out side. 15 Seconds
>
> Say, "That's Corn." 2 Seconds
>
>
> Jimmy I think you've scheduled in 9+ extra minutes.
>
>
You forgot about having to bundle up for the winter weather.

Ice blonde wrote:

> Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
> seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?

Yes. The Piper is heavier and low wing. That makes it less likely to bounce
around when the air is a bit unstable. It takes longer to get it off the ground.
It has a tendency to "float" a little when landing. It's a bit heavier on the
controls. It's faster.

The low wing makes it a poor sightseeing platform. On the other hand, you can
see in the direction you're turning, so the runway stays in sight while you come
in to land.

There are a few other differences, but they don't make any difference at this
stage of your training.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"N93332" > wrote

> And how would you get to Iowa, let alone Iowa City without seeing corn???
>
> Walk around. 30 seconds
>
> Say, "Them's beans" 2 seconds
>
> Now you have just tripled your tour time in Iowa...

MUCH more time than that! Why, you could drive for hours, to see much more
than the corn! <g>
--
Jim in NC

("Jimmy B." wrote)
> You forgot about having to bundle up for the winter weather.

We just got the Mother-in-law SNOW report on the phone.

I-94 in North Dakota is closed from Bismarck (Capital) to the Montana
border. Minot ND area is reporting 14 inches of snow today - schools,
businesses, Post Office closed. Heavy 'breaking branches' snow.

This storm will miss Minnesota (and Iowa) but winter won't. We were in the
80's for the past few days, now were heading for the 30's.


Montblack
#%^* the fall colors, Hawaii anyone?

"Jay Beckman" > wrote

> That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?

No, it was a C-150 on nitro-methane! <g>
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in
news:5fY0f.7616$lq6.6985@fed1read01:

> "Marty Shapiro" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Jimmy B." > wrote in
>> ink.net:
>>
>>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>>>In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to
>>>>>do it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it
>>>>>slowly due to finances :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it. There is, quite simply, nothing
>>>> else like flying.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, here's your plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Come to the U.S. next summer.
>>>> 2. Stay at our inn for two months. (We'll give you a great rate...)
>>>> 3. Take your flight lessons at our airport. We have two flight
>>>> schools on the field.
>>>> 4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
>>>> Midwest...
>>>
>>> Gee, that will take 10 minutes! <grin>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best way
>> to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver by
>> Brian Shul.
>
> That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?
>
> Jay B
>
>

Yes. Fascinating book. By chance, I went to the 1998 Stockton Air
Show and Brian Shul was there, autographing copies of his book. It is very
enjoyable reading! It does not bog down with technical details but really
relays the challenges and joy in flying the "sled". The quote about
Nebraska is one that you don't forget.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote
>
>> That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?
>
> No, it was a C-150 on nitro-methane! <g>

Must have been a C-150 turbo to level off above FL 750! <vbg>

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

The four-seat Piper is probably 160 hp, while the two-seat Cessna is 105 hp.
The bigger plane will feel heavier and more stable. With two people aboard
it will climb more quickly. It will feel like moving from an old Mini to a
new four-door Toyota . . .

There's also a difference in visibility. The Cessna, because of the high
wing, gives you an unrestricted view downward, so it's great for sightseeing
and taking pix. You can probably flip the windows open a bit for this
purpose. It's easy to climb in and out of the plane through big doors on
either side, and the wing provides shade on hot days, a little shelter on
wet ones. When you fly the landing pattern, you lose sight of the runway for
about 20 seconds in each turn because the wing blocks the view, which can be
disconcerting until you're used to it. The Piper, with its low wing,
requires you clamber up to enter, and it has a single door on the right, so
it's a bit more awkward to load. Visibility in the pattern is grand -- you
can eyeball the runway all the way through your turns. You can't look
straight down through the wing; you can't see the landing gear. And you can
fuel the plane without having to climb up to the wing. On the other hand,
pre-flight with the low wing means I have to roll around on the tarmac to
drain fuel and inspect the gear.

Which do you prefer? Given equal power and seating, it just depends on how
you use the airplane. I trained in Cessnas, own a Piper. For purely
practical purposes, I prefer the high wing -- If I were still flying search
and rescue, if I were flying big cargo and elderly passengers, or operating
off a grass strip, I'd own a Cessna. But I do love the Piper and the low
wing feels a bit more sporting.

Seth




"Ice blonde" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi all
>
>>Seth Masia wrote:
>> Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/
>
> Now that does look interesting..... But I'm not going to be flitting
> off to do anything in a hurry :-)
>
> Have never been to the Mid West, but your not selling it very well ;-)
> We have a place called Boston in Lincs over here, its a bit like that,
> really really flat and cabbages for as far as the eye can see...!
>
> Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
> seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?
>
> I have a willing soul who would love to come up for a ride, and it
> would be a good excuse to have another lesson, but I wouldn't want to
> try learning in two very different planes at once, that would just be
> confusing.
>
> Many thanks
>

Seth Masia wrote:

> There's also a difference in visibility. The Cessna, because of the high
> wing, gives you an unrestricted view downward, so it's great for sightseeing
> and taking pix.

The window has a retaining strap near the bottom. Disconnect that strap, and the
window will open fully in flight. Once opened, air pressure keeps it up against
the bottom of the wing. The plane then has a tendency to yaw to the right,
requiring lots of left rudder to keep straight. The pitch also changes, but I
don't recall which way I had to trim.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"Marty Shapiro" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote in
> news:5fY0f.7616$lq6.6985@fed1read01:
>> That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?
>>
>> Jay B
>>
>>
>
> Yes. Fascinating book. By chance, I went to the 1998 Stockton Air
> Show and Brian Shul was there, autographing copies of his book. It is
> very
> enjoyable reading! It does not bog down with technical details but really
> relays the challenges and joy in flying the "sled". The quote about
> Nebraska is one that you don't forget.
>
> --
> Marty Shapiro
> Silicon Rallye Inc.

The number that blows my mind was the (IIRC) 01:04:58 it took them to cross
the US from west to east on it's "retirement" run.

Now that's "sailin' with the mail."

Jay B

>Yes. The Piper is heavier and low wing. That makes it less likely to bounce
>around when the air is a bit unstable. It takes longer to get it off the ground.
>It has a tendency to "float" a little when landing. It's a bit heavier on the
>controls. It's faster.

Cheers :-)

> "We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best way
> to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver by
> Brian Shul.

Did you actually *buy* that book?

Shul was selling it at the Reno Air Races last year. I 'bout fell down when
he told me he wanted $400+ PER COPY!

I, of course, instantly abandoned the notion of putting one on display in
our "Blackbird Suite"...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> This storm will miss Minnesota (and Iowa) but winter won't. We were in the
> 80's for the past few days, now were heading for the 30's.

Yesterday at this time we were at the hangar, wearing shorts, drinking a
cold one. The temperature was 86 degrees, and it was humid like Florida.

Today, the temperature is 45 degrees, we're wearing light coats, and spent
the afternoon closing the pool up for the year.

If you don't like the weather here, just wait a few hours!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:D5f1f.402702$x96.73947@attbi_s72:

>> "We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best
>> way
>> to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver
>> by Brian Shul.
>
> Did you actually *buy* that book?
>
> Shul was selling it at the Reno Air Races last year. I 'bout fell
> down when he told me he wanted $400+ PER COPY!
>
> I, of course, instantly abandoned the notion of putting one on display
> in our "Blackbird Suite"...
>
>:-)

Wow. I had no idea the price had gone up to the Blackbirds's
altitude!

My records show I bought two copies at the Stockton Air Show on
October 3, 1998 for $40.00 each. I got to chat a little with Brian and he
autographed both copies (one was for me and the other was a gift for my
instrument instructor).

Out of curiosity, I some simple research on avaialability and prices.
Amazon does NOT have any new copies. Used copies start at $299 with
autographed copies going as high as $476.47. At Barnes & Noble, used
copies start at $314, autographed for $415.

An autographed copy was just listed on Ebay (about 3 hours ago) with a
starting bid of $295. So far no bids have been placed. Item #4580765190.

Even more curious now, I went to Brian's web page www.sleddriver.com.
It looks like the current printing is a limited edition (only 3,500) and is
a special version created for the Centennial of Flight. It is much fancier
than the one I bought 7 years ago (or the one's on sale at Amazon, Barnes &
Noble, and eBay). The format is now horizontal rather than vertical, the
text has been expanded, pictures added, and it is autographed by Brian and
3 other sled drivers. List price on the web page is $427.00

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Martin Hotze wrote:

> they worked for the DHS?

Sort of. Without them, DHS wouldn't exist.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Shul was selling it at the Reno Air Races last year. I 'bout fell down when
> he told me he wanted $400+ PER COPY!
>
> I, of course, instantly abandoned the notion of putting one on display in
> our "Blackbird Suite"...

Not that it's likely to make you run out and buy one, but Amazon has a copy for
"only" $299.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

I used to fly photographers, and took a lot of pix myself, when I was
renting 172s. I'd generally throttle back to about 90 knots before opening
the window. I'm sure there was a pitch change, but I don't retrimming so it
can't have been much. Maybe putting in one notch of flaps helped.

Also, when you bounce a landing, it's nice that your CFI can look down and
note drily "Wheel's still on. Try it again."

Seth
"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:RXa1f.966$la.401@trndny05...
> Seth Masia wrote:
>
>> There's also a difference in visibility. The Cessna, because of the high
>> wing, gives you an unrestricted view downward, so it's great for
>> sightseeing and taking pix.
>
> The window has a retaining strap near the bottom. Disconnect that strap,
> and the window will open fully in flight. Once opened, air pressure keeps
> it up against the bottom of the wing. The plane then has a tendency to yaw
> to the right, requiring lots of left rudder to keep straight. The pitch
> also changes, but I don't recall which way I had to trim.
>
> George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
> neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Seth Masia wrote:
> I used to fly photographers, and took a lot of pix myself, when I was
> renting 172s. I'd generally throttle back to about 90 knots before opening
> the window. I'm sure there was a pitch change, but I don't retrimming so it
> can't have been much. Maybe putting in one notch of flaps helped.

Flaps might have helped, but it also may be that the 172 behaves differently
from the 150/152 aircraft. Mine was a 150.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.